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Where is Heaven?

26 Jan

This blog is prompted by, not a phone conversation, but a monolog by an acquaintance who is an atheist and who jumps from one subject to another talking non-stop, so it’s almost impossible to get a word in edgeways. Unfortunately he’s not on the Internet, so won’t be able to read this even if he wanted to, which he probably doesn’t.

Anyway, among other subjects, religion kept cropping up in his monolog as he was saying, basically, if there’s a planet called Heaven, where is it and why haven’t astronomers discovered it? He claims to believe in science, yet he is only showing his ignorance, for neither science nor religion claims there is a planet called Heaven.

If he were on the Internet he could easily research the latest scientific theories on YouTube and elsewhere and he would discover that the materialist world he believes in is but an illusion. There is no such thing as solid matter, just sub-atomic particles vibrating in such a way as to create the illusion of solid matter.

What we regard as solid matter is, in actual fact, mainly empty space, and in that space there is ample room for other orders of matter to exist vibrating at different speeds. Similar to the different channels a TV is able to receive, we are normally just tuned to one channel. Many dimensions or universes may well exist side by side, interpenetrating each other, each one indetectable to the other.

This is all basic Quantum Physics, and yet so many are ignorant of such things and cling to the belief that the Universe they see and experience around them is reality. It is only a virtual reality, and the latest scientific and quantum theories suggest it is a virtual reality created by consciousness, which seems to be at the heart of everything. Indeed sub-atomic particles revert to waves of probability if no conscious observer is present. I know I’ve said this many times in these blogs, but it can’t be stressed too many times if people don’t yet understand that consciousness must be non-material and must have preceded matter. Indeed must have created and organized matter, and not just one order of matter, but many orders of matter. Many universes or dimensions.

‘Heaven’, as my acquaintance describes it, would be in one or more of these alternative realities existing side-by-side with our own. However ‘heaven’ and ‘hell’ are religious concepts and do not, in fact, exist. Survivalists and Spiritualists (which include many scientists past and present) who have contacted entities in these other dimensions know that there are many levels, sometimes called ‘planes’.

It is not known for sure how many there are, some say seven, but that may just be an arbitary number. There could be innumerable alternative levels or dimensions.

To ask ‘where is heaven’ is like asking ‘how long is a piece of string?’ What is generally agreed in Survivalist/Spiritualist circles is that most people on passing that barrier called death transit quickly to what we term the Third Level. This is an Earthlike plane with a sort of communist society where there is no State, no money, no police force or army. Which is guided by Marx’s principle: ‘from each according to their ability, to each according to their need’. There is an abundance of everything because thought or mind power creates whatever is needed, or whatever people think they need.

On this Third Level people do not sit around on clouds playing harps and there are no angels with wings; this is a real world which seems as solid as ours, but where thoughts create material things much more readily than they do on our dense level. There is no need, for example, to eat or drink on that level, but if someone who has just crossed over feels the need, say, for a cup of tea, then they can have one just by thinking of one.

This does not mean that all is rosy over there because if the passing has been sudden, traumatic or involves a small child, the new arrival may need rest, recuperation and help. So many on that Third Level help children who have crossed over, or assist those who’ve come over suddenly in wars, accidents or natural disasters. Others study music or the arts, or do other things to fulfil themselves and progress spiritually. Still others are happy to live a simple life, for it is a life beyond what we call death, in homes they have created very similar or identical to ones they had on Earth. Eventually, however, all will feel the need to move on and progress, and there are many levels above the Third Level to which they can do so. It is said that there is always something new to learn, and that this process of spiritual development goes on for eternity.

There are, of course, also lower levels than this Third Level, but these are not truly ‘hell’. There is no fire and brimstone or endless physical torture. However they are not pleasant places or situations to be in.

Basically one gravitates on death to the people most like oneself, so if a person has been cruel and selfish they will find themselves with others of a similar nature. This is why the Third Level and above are so like the communist utopia Marx and Engels dreamt of – the less developed spirits cannot enter that level until they have progressed beyond the baser, selfish and even sadistic tendencies they had on Earth. However even these spirits progress eventually, and there are helpers who go down to these levels to help those who wish to be so rescued.

Also there are many spirits who are trapped after death. Some are Earthbound. Many of these have business they feel is unfinished on Earth, or they seek revenge for some injustice. Helpers from the Third Level and above can assist these to escape their Earthbound existence (either as ghosts or as spirits possessing or trying to influence people still alive on Earth). There are Spiritualsts on Earth who try to release such spirits as well and help them to move on.

Atheists and those with closed minds may well find that they refuse to accept the reality of an afterlife, and hang around trapped on the Earth plane but unable to interact with it for centuries. Others who expect oblivion may get just that – they just sleep for centuries, but eventually they  have to awake and face the fact that they are eternal spirits or eternal individual minds who just transit to another reality after dying on Earth.

Religious people with fixed ideas as to what to expect after they die can also become trapped. Some Christians expect to sleep for centuries awaiting the return of Christ to Earth, and they too may go into a deep coma for centuries. Others may go and join fellow Christians with the founder of their religion, but they too are trapped for a while in one aspect of the greater reality. People of other religions may find themselves in environments surrounded by like-minded spirits and their religious leaders, prophets, etc.

So there are many ‘heavens’ if you like, each one created by our own expectations thoughts or desires. There are also various ‘hells’, albeit temporary ones, created by our refusal to move on and progress to better things.

Where does reincarnation fit into all this? That is a subject on which there is much controversy both here and on the Other Side. The consensus seems to be that the individuals we are on Earth are but a tiny part of our greater spiritual selves, or of our greater soul. This greater soul has many different aspects, and only one aspect is the individual we are on Earth. However other aspects may have incarnated on Earth or other planets, or may do so in future.

We are also members of soul groups, and share experiences with others in these groups, so the whole subject is extremely complex. I have read a channeled book where a woman met another aspect of herself who had lived another life on Earth. It seems all individuals, however, are unique and survive eternally, or until they are reunited with their greater selves, sharing the experiences of all the lives their various aspects have lived. They are then ready to move on to the higher spiritual planes.

Science is only just now scraping the surface of these alternative realities and gradually realizing that behind all of them is consciousness, that elusive thing which science has never been able to explain. The living brain is but a conductor, receiver or rather a filter for that non-material consciousness, so what we are here on Earth, what we know, think and sense is just a tip of the iceberg.

I know this blog is mainly Spiritualist/Survivalist dogma, if you like, but it is based on evidence received thru countless communications. What I am saying is that now science, especially quantum physics, is starting to give backing to all of this. If material states can only exist with a conscious observer present, then that conscious observer must be something akin to a spirit. The original conscious spirit must have been, if not ‘God’, then some non-material mind capable of evolving into something very like ‘God’.

We are now back to Pearson’s ‘i-ther’ or ‘intelligent ether’ theory, that conscious matrix which this scientist says is behind all matter systems and which we and everything is part of.

Whatever terms you use – New Age, religious, scientific, pseudo-scientific – it amounts to the same thing. Consciousness is eternal and non-material and is the creator and organizer of all matter systems. The higher level matter systems are what we on Earth may regard as ‘heaven’, there are many of them, and they interpenetrate our own Universe. The lower ones, nearest the Earth plane, can be tuned into more easily by human mediums and by ITC (Instrumental TransCommunication). However we also have many communications from higher entities like Silver Birch, and maybe even Source itself, though this is for me too much like organized religion and those who claim a hotline to ‘God’. I believe we are all interconnected and so Source is unlikely to be a separate entity who can be communicated with. It is more likely the sum total of that ‘intelligent ether’ Pearson speaks of; the sum total of everything living on Earth and in the many other spiritual planes or alternative realities.

3 Responses to “Where is Heaven?”

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    Rose Campbell Says:

    Excellant article Tony. Good overview of several complex and often overlapping concepts.

    The “odd” thought that jumped out at me whilst reading your blog was this:
    Even those who most in society would regard as purely evil could indeed find themselves in “heaven”.

    I agree that heaven is not one static place but is rather a condition that is brought forth by mind. So if someone’s idea of heaven, for example, would be a place filled only with animals and no humans then that is the experience which they are likely to encounter. If they feel they have deserved “heaven’ then after first transitioning out of the physical they could likely be playing joyously in a field full of puppies and kittens.

    So even someone who most would call evil, ummm…like Hitler let’s say, could indeed find himself, once crossed over, in his ideal “heaven”. For in his mind he was not evil but rather performing a necessary mission. However…even as we all awaken to the illusion of reality, whatever it might be, there comes a time when even the illusion of heaven gives way to other newer ideologies. His consciousness would awaken him from his dream of heaven and show to him other alternatives…all of which he would be free to choose from. A varitable smorgasboard of free will choices for the experiencing.

    However, if someone is beleagured by guilt and fear and have bought into the more religious ideas of how one must enter heaven then no matter how “good” they were in this physical life their fears could create for them most what they fear. In some cases that could be the idealized concpet of “hell” with the blisters and smoke filled lungs.

    THus a person judged by humanity as a fairly good person could, from their own inner turmoils and having purchased some wrong ideologies, continue their own torment while someone who society would say was evil incarnate could find themselves in a place of enjoyment for they did not fear what they did was wrong.

    The moral of this story seems to be that we are the judges of our own lives/actions and that judgement will create our heaven or hell.

    Agree or disagree?

  2. 2
    Tony Papard Says:

    Hi Rose,

    I partly agree. Hitler, Pol Pot and other mass murderers, torturers, etc. may gravitate to what they initially think would be ‘heaven’ but they’d soon find it was far from that since they would be with others as cruel, selfish and sadistic as themselves. Can you imagine Pol Pot and Hitler getting on well together for instance? Since they would be eternal spirits they couldn’t kill or physically torture people, but they could make each others’ existence ‘hell’ by their selfishness and hatred of others. I would imagine it was a very lonely existence, with everybody out for themselves and not giving a damn about anyone else.

    As to religious people creating their version of ‘hell’ by their guilt feelings, I feel the greater problem is those who think they’ve been absolved of their misdemeanors by such things as the Last Rites administered by a Roman Catholic priest, by Roman Catholic confession and penances, by evangelistic notions of being ‘saved and born again’, by human/animal and other barbaric sacrifices which include Christ’s crucifixion, by Holy Communion or Mass, and Islamic Extremists by killing ‘infidels’ and others in suicide bombings and other atrocities.

    All these categories are in for a rude shock when they find they will be forced to judge themselves on their actions, and will also be forced to experience the effect of their actions on others. Only personal responsibility and karma can enable the Spiritual progress of each soul. ‘No saviors from on high deliver’ says the atheistic Socialist anthem ‘The Internationale’, but it is true. Neither Jesus nor anyone else can absolve you of your misdeeds. They can show you the correct way by example, but you must take personal responsibility for your actions.

    What you suggest is that people who have lived fairly good lives may feel guilt dumped on them by organized religion for harmless actions, usually victimless practices such as, for example, having the odd drink, going to the cinema/theater, wearing make-up (even for women), being gay, any kind of sex outside marriage or masturbation.

    I’ve read and seen no evidence that they punish themselves for these kind of ‘offenses’ against their religion on Earth, but as I said in the main blog these type of narrow-minded religious people may find themselves in a tiny aspect of the Spirit world surrounded by others who think like them. They might well continue to feel guilt and even accuse each other, continuing to pray to whoever they worship to save them from their so-called ‘sins’.

    Certainly our thoughts are very powerful. Thought or Mind seems to have created everything, so we have to be very careful what we think. In that sense I suppose people who feel guilty about harmless things could create in the Spirit world an environment where this guilt will be continued, until they finally realize they can move on to better things and that there is a greater reality than their own narrow-minded religious sect.

    Who knows if this would extend as far as creating a ‘Hell’ with smoke and blisters? If it does, I’ve not read of such graphic descriptions in afterlife reports. But I have read of places on the lower levels at least where souls are unhappy and in anguish mainly because of the company they are forced to keep in these dark worlds. So narrow-minded religious bigots who feel guilt about harmless practices may well also feel anguish among others who also feel guilty and accuse them of being ‘sinners’. Basically, heaven and hell are all states of mind.

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    Rose Campbell Says:

    I suppose, Tony, that it could come about that if Hitler and Pol Pot ended up in the same “mind zone” heaven that it could be ideal for them. They and their respective minions could have great joy plotting the overthrow of the other one/group. In fact that might feel so comfortable to them that a delay in their awakening could be had.

    I agree with what you say about those who feel that an intermediary’s word that they are absolved of “sin” does the job could indeed be in for a shock. In my channeling of MLK one of the things he talks about is facing your own life and seeing it through vastly different eyes and the experiencing of what your actions were about, what lateral effects they had and knowing you could have chosen a “higher road” to prevent these things. While I have been a pretty good girl by most standards I can think of a few things that I am trying to work through now by broadening my perspective to include the “collateral damage” victims of my ignorance. Better to be proactive than to have to do it all at once when I am non-physical. The bright side to it is that I know those who have done me “wrong” will, in time, get to see and feel what I felt. Sad to say but… that almost brings a smile to my lips. (Bad girl!)

    Again, thank you for a marvelous blog.

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